@Menace For Society As far as i know as soon as Zack used his speed the old guy couldnt even touch Zack and got overpowered and i assume Vin jin to be equally strong as Vasco (not Zack cuz Zack got a better buff and he's holding quite up to the hopes) Vin jin got trampled when the Gen 0 guy got serious its also a feat to get him serious to fight a middle schoolar but ig Vin jin never grew from there till now cuz Taejin said the same thing. He definetly needs a teacher but not Gun cuz Vin jin's character doesnt meet the quota of being Gun's student i prefer him to be the disciple of KOS.