@Gay that the problem with the others revenge manga, this isn't about self preasure is about revenge and the pain in it , there is no pleasure in revenge just pain, Karma is a complete psychopath, but the revenge isn't hers is her stepfathers and for him just about grief, rap4 is just you thinking too much like in p4rn and doing it in self preasure and somehow thinking is fine because they are bad people. That why this manwa is peak and others are trash in my option like return of the healer.