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@Her Okay wait, you actually ate that up though 😭

'Comics criticism isn't as developed' that part hit. Because you're right, if this was a critically acclaimed film or novel, people would be dissecting the framing, the gaze, the intention behind every panel. But with manhwa, it gets brushed off as 'dark storytelling' when half the time it's just trauma p*n with a pretty art style.

I'm not saying every author with a dark plot needs to be canceled, but I am saying  if your 'artistic vision' constantly relies on SA as character development, maybe the vision ain't that artistic. It's lazy writing wearing a trench coat.

What's your take on the ones that actually DO handle it well? Like, is there any manhwa that you think walked that line correctly? Because I feel like that list is SHORT

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@komaiwa232
Thanks.Your reactions are lmaoo.

Speaking for myself, though, as a q*r adult, my priority is generally finding realistic, mature, and well-written plots in fiction.I enjoy exploring q*r representation across different art forms, including literature, film, and comics.That's why I'm familiar with this topic and can criticize it as well.

Her
Her·2 months ago(edited)

@komaiwa232

1. As you said, people would approach it with a more critical perspective.This is a real art criticism.
There are good ones but it's less popular.
Also, Webtoon and Digital Vertical comics partly niche art forms.South Korea (manhwa) is where the digital vertical-scroll format originated.It emerged in the early 2000s.Manhua,Western comics, and manga adopted the format more widely after webtoons became a global phenomenon.

2. Yes, I mean all comics—manga, manhua, manhwa, and Western comics. Some artists and authors would definitely be cancelled if their works were judged by the same standards applied to other forms of media.

3. There are creators who handle these sensitive topics well. In those works, the difficult subject matter exists to make the story feel more realistic. The characters' emotions are layered, nuanced, and psychologically complex.Instead of encouraging you to romanticize what happens, these stories make you question it. They invite curiosity, critical thinking, and self-reflection from the very beginning. That's usually one of the first signs of thoughtful writing, even if the work is popular.

*Sexual assault, abusive behavior, poorly handled character development, and then suddenly giving the story a happy ending often serve as a convenient disguise.A happy ending doesn't erase or justify everything that came before it.I've learned that victims actually staying or ending up with their abusers, or even their rapists, is a real phenomenon. Because of this, it can feel realistic in fiction—though not all dark fiction handles it with that level of psychological realism.

However, dark storytelling being thought-provoking does not automatically mean it has artistic merit or a meaningful artistic purpose.That's another important distinction. For example, when I read Passion, I could feel the realism in many parts of the story. But once it ended with a happy ending, it completely trash fo me.If you read the novel, you can undersand some aspects of it.No matter how realistic a story is, if it ultimately uses a happy ending to gloss over serious abuse or trauma, it loses its impact in my eyes.

4. As for healthy relationships, well-written ones also rely on realistic storytelling, nuanced emotional expression and realistic q*r male characters.
You can feel that the author genuinely wants to tell a positive story rather than forcing happiness onto the characters. At the same time, they still encourage readers to think critically in a rational way.

You also can see healthy qualities reflected naturally in the story: respecting personal boundaries, mutual consent, sincere communication, emotional maturity, and healthy ways of approaching situations.In other words, the story explores what it actually means to be a decent and emotionally mature person instead of simply telling the reader who is "good" or "bad." 

* I don’t believe that any artwork can be perfect.From a rational perspective, perfection doesn’t seem realistic.

Her
Her·2 months ago(edited)

@komaiwa232 

As we expected the list is short.I'm gonna leave some links here about this.Resources are Reddit,
Fans’ Feedback and Reviews on Offical Sites and some databases,Manga Updates,Novelupdates, and MAL.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Manhwa_BL/comments/1tt7q0g/straight_ally_looking_for_genuine_truetolife_bl/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Manhwa_BL/comments/1pkgwo5/recommendations_for_realistic_bl_stories/

https://queercomicsdatabase.com/queer_rep/q*r-male+gay-male/

https://myanimelist.net/stacks/85395 

..etc.

Her
Her·2 months ago(edited)

@komaiwa232 

*I didn't rated them.Just list. 

Dark "romance", Realistic Psychological Thriller and more realistic characters' emotions or queerr representation:

1.Killing Stalking (most well-written fiction,depth of characters' psychology.) (I know classical one.Don't judge me.lol)
2.Itou-san by Kuraka Sui
3.Two in Six Billion
4.Saezuru Tori wa Habatakenai (fav)
5.Ouroboros (fav) 
6.Missing Love
7.Peace of God (good plot,art and different relationship dynamics) 
8.Black Mirror (probably you know this.);
9.Non Zero Sum (....fck)
10.No Reason (Criminal organization so corrupted minds and emotions,no romanticization.) 
11.Hwang Young's Misery (Ending :) )
12.The Warehouse (It's popular.I know a psychological thriller, not dark romance.)
13. Dark Haven = Dark + angst + trauma based 
14.June's Noir (It looks like good plot.Some users commented it felt like a movie trailer for prologue.)

*It's a red flag but Opposite attract includes queerr problems in some realistic aspects. 
I don't know how realistic and well-written Bad Life is.
I haven't read it, so no thanks. 
*I expect more realistic emotions,approaches,perspectives or plots.Mostly, character development isn't one of my top priorities if it's black flag characters.Nope,

Spoiler!
Death to r*pists lol

I know some of them popular but still realistic. 


Healthy boundaries and personal space,complex,layered characters and their psychology, more realistic storyline and queerr representation:

1. The Most Ordinary Relationship (fav) 
2. Until I meet my husband (I remember this was a real story which is written by male artist.) 
3. My Husband's Brother (japanese male artist) (I would rather gay artists as a q*r person.I'm sicked of it.)
4.A First of Summers
5.Unintentional Love Story
6.Here you are
7. My ultramine sky
8. Sasaki to Miyano 
9. Our Sunny Days
10. The new employee/ The new recruit
(Being gay,working in Korea)
You know already Semantic Error.

*I struggle to recommend healthy and green-flag artworks because whenever I think 'this one is better,'
I end up being wrong lol. My expectations are more realistic and suited to a more mature audience.

*I emphasize that I’m queerr because, in the yuri (GL) genre, there are more lesbian and bisexual women creators.Why would I want to experience or interpret my own orientation through a man’s perspective? Even if it’s well-written,
I automatically skip it.

Her
Her·2 months ago(edited)

@komaiwa232 

I don’t remember if I mentioned this before, but I was too lazy to look back through the previous comments :d
If you want to understand characters like Zhenya, Ilay, Caesar, and Sangwoo, who share similar mindsets and behaviors, you can look into these diagnoses.

1 Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD)
2 Antisocial personality traits (Psychopath or Sociopath? for Criminal,Ruthless and Unempathetic characters)
3 Dark Factor of Personality (D-factor)
(a broader model for dark personality, more deeply psychological analysis and academical language.)
2 Narsisistic Personality Disorder (NPD) (or  narcissistic personality traits)
3 Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD)
4 Attachment Styles (obsessive way)
5 Sadism
6 Dark Triad (a quick and understandable analysis for ordinary people)

*Characters may exhibit antisocial traits and behaviors that are distinct from other diagnoses, including ASPD.
*Such as Borderline Personality Disorder + Antisocial Personality Traits.Other combination as ASPD + BPD.
A disorder and personality traits have different definitions in Psychiatry and Psychology.

*When I research these topics, I’m not surprised by what these characters do, even though they are fictional.
All psycho,serial killers and their fictional characters don't have ASPD and BPD.It can be associated with more antisocial personality traits alongside other diagnoses.Schizophrenia..etc.