@Artpop as a guy who is into pain and domination, nothing they are doing looks like grape. 2 consenting men taking pleasure in pain and submission. I feel like you are kinda attacking/kink shaming me over here. I love having marks left on me that I can feel at a later time. Reminds me of what we did and gets me going again. Having my clothes ripped off shows you want me as bad as I want you. I feel like you are reaching here...