I would just like to remind all the ash (and to some extent, karlyle) haters that the name of the story is define the relationship. They never did. That's the root of all the issues. Both of them wanted more but neither made the move to label the da** relationship. So pack all your pitchforks away, they should be mature enough to deal with this themselves, anyway. Pointing fingers is useless, because this is one messy relationship.