@mr Monkey tieing can still be considered losing depending a person's mentality. Or the requirements. Tieing isn't winning so it can be considered losing especially when fighting for the item that protects an entire continent
@Christopher McGovern black oldie wanted to fight himself to save white oldie and minimize the damage so that man would've definitely won the fight in 1v1 and his whole character there was for a sword and he just ran away like nah I don't care about the swords anymore