Comment by Rick D Roll on I Obtained a Mythic Item - Chapter 157

@Rick D. Roll

"As long as is not an adult dude (like, the body and mind of an adult) wanting to date a minor, then I think it's fine."

People say that because the law says that it's bad and they don't want to be seen as a creep by defending large age-gap relationships with obviously immature children.  

That being said, the same people who will claim that it's evil are usually the same people who don't have a problem with underage kids dating/sleeping together and they often find it impossible to explain why it's suddenly morally OK when both people are underage as opposed to only one of them.

I personally don't think it's OK for minors to date/sleep together and I find it far worse than large age gap relationships since at least one person in an age gap relationship will be able to fully take responsibility for the outcome (i.e. kids, finances, etc...).

@Prinzinc Here comes the haters already. They don't exactly know why they disagree, but they are absolutely sure that I am wrong.

Edit: I posted the above before I saw your reply Gibby but honestly it's already 90% accurate to your post.  You clearly didn't read and process what I said, you skimmed it and got outraged.  I didn't justify age-gap relationships with minors, I said that the are less bad than minors sleeping around and most people who get all offended with age-gap relationships are hypocritical when it comes to talking about minors sleeping around. 

You are also defending the whole idea of minors engaging in romantic relationships which will inevitably lead to s** even though you claim that you are against them sleeping together.  The reason why I know this is because you wouldn't be OK with an age-gap relationship "dating" and "getting experience" for the same reasons.

See, the problem is that people like you are too adopted into what is currently considered the "norm" to truly process why our current "norm" is bad.

@Gibby Gibson Again, I'm not advocating for what you are accusing me of advocating for.  If you continue to accuse me of advocating for it when I'm not then you obviously aren't trying to understand the conversation and I'll take your argument as purposefully bad faith.

If your brain isn't fully developed until 25 then make 25 the age of adulthood.  No?  Because you want to do all sorts of adult stuff before then and then claim zero responsibility?  See, no matter which way you slice this people are going to be pis*** off.  22 year olds will be pis*** off that they aren't yet considered "adults" in your system while the same 22 year olds don't want to have the responsibility of being an adult until they are 45 (and maybe not even then).  Brain development is a slow process and all people like you do is point to our current system and say, "This law makes this idea moral and good" whereas a guy like me looks at the underlying issues and does my best to understand the nuance of them.

Where I would partially agree with you is that brain development takes time which is why minors shouldn't be dating or sleeping together.  If you cannot accept adult level responsibility than you shouldn't be allowed to make adult level decisions.  When you have two minors sleeping around who can't take adult levels of responsibility that is worse than when one of the two people can actually accept that responsibility.

@Gibby Gibson Once again, I never claimed that age-gap relationships were GOOD.  You predicated a lot of your argument in your previous post on my implied assertion that because they aren't as bad as sexual relationships between minors that must mean that they were good.  I never made that claim and I'm not going to defend something that I'm not claiming as if I somehow want a lot more age-gap relationships with minors.  I don't want any minors in ANY romantic or sexual relationships as I have said several times.  This is the last time I'm going to correct you on this.

"Romance doesn't always lead to s**"
Romance is the precursor for s** just like s** is the precursor for children.  There are few men alive who plan to stop at romance without a sexual payout at the end and the fact that you'd make this argument when everyone knows this is evidence for exactly how weak your argument is.  If romance is perfectly fine between kids then it's also perfectly fine between underage minors and adults.  No?  Because that's going to groom them for something bad?  Exactly.  That's why minors shouldn't engage in romance either because it sets minors up for adult relationships that they aren't ready for and can't possibly take responsibility for.

@Gibby Gibson "I am saying no one under the age of 18 should date anyone older than 18. If they're over the age of 18 then whatever, I think its weird but to a degree I can understand the point. If you are making the argument that people over the age of 18 shouldn't get sh** for being in age gap relationships, then I misunderstood your post and I do apologize. I am just very strongly against any idea of minors dating people who are legal adults. I have seen too many people I know go through he** due to being in age gap relationships as minors."

18 is an arbitrary age and it only makes sense as a LEGAL framework not as a MORAL framework.  You are making MORAL arguments and using a LEGAL framework to prove them.  I am making MORAL arguments and using MORAL and PHILOSOPHICAL arguments for them.  When I said earlier that people like you don't know why I'm wrong but you are sure of it, what I mean is that you haven't actually thought this out yet and are simply reacting.  You don't bring legal arguments to prove moral or philosophical truths, ever.  Instead, you have to use morality and philosophy to prove what ought to be legal or illegal. 

If I ask you questions like, "Why is it suddenly wrong if an 18 year old dates a 17 year old?  What about an 18 year old and a 16 year old?  What about a 14 year old and a 12 year old?" the only thing you can reply with is vague feelings and a reference to our current legal system.  This is why you don't know what you are talking about and until you are able to articulate why these are bad or why they are good or why they are less or more bad/good than something else, you'll endlessly fall into the category of those who know for certain that I'm wrong but have no idea why.

@Gibby Gibson   @Prinzinc first of all, romance will always eventually lead to intimacy whether it is s3x or hugs or kisses, and it's the parent's responsibility to let their kids know about pregnancy and all that bee talk so I think kids should be able to date because it's a good experience and sometimes that relationship end up with them getting married and growing old together sometimes it's just an anecdote they will have and remember when they grow up. And the reason I'm against them having s3x (while agreeing with any other kind of intimacy that is not sexual related [or in other words anything that involves either s3xu4l organ]) is because even if they end up pregnant and the parents support them financially, they won't really understand the extent of their current reality and in the worst case, they will have a super really hard time having the baby because market for jobs are mostly for 18+, not because is morally legal or acceptable or whatever, but because having a baby is so much work that even adults struggle with so a teenager will not be able to handle it without the help of an adult.

And regarding the age gap thingy, communication is the answser to every relation, if there's not enough of it, it will inevitably create issues and inbalances regardless if there's age gap or not but I think that age gap relations are an okay thing in general.