@tormasi chapter 113 and she called him friend... If he waited for her to figure out her feelings without a kiss we would be reading this scene in chapter 5876.
Besides back in the day, when we didn't need to ask if it was ok to breathe next to each other or else you'll burst the safe space bubble, being suddenly kissed on the balcony on a gorgeous night with shooting stars by the super hot prince that's been helping you for years and you're clearly attracted to was seeing as romantic and beautiful. Not as a lack of consent that would turn him into a "not cool man... Not cool..." moment.
But hey, this is why men stopped doing great gestures, romantic moments, or even approaching women first 🤷🏻♀️
@deleted user great. So let's ignore someone trying to process everything and rush them. That will definietly end well.
For the first kiss you NEED consent. No matter how romantic YOU feel the moment is, it might not be the same for your partner. And no, helping for years and looking good is not an excuse for YOU to push things on your partner that they might either not be ready for or don't want. Or you want to propose women are just commodities that can be bought by bringing them to a nice date, being handsome and helping them for years? Try telling that to any woman and see their reaction
@tormasi jajajajajajajaja ommmgg... Take it too far will you 😂
I never once said just because a man is handsome and helping them they have the right to kiss a woman. Funny how you skipped the part where I made emphasis on the woman CLEARLY ATTRACTED TO HIM too. But it makes sense you skipped that part, because that would mean she actually wants him to kiss her and that wouldn't fit into your bitchy, bitter narrative on women being a "commodity that can be bought".
I'm sorry you're single, lonely, and angry, but just because you feel that way, it doesn't mean that there aren't women who love old-school romance. Women that love when a man they like takes the first step, makes them feel wanted, and surprises them and there's nothing hotter than experiencing the things the man you really really like, wants to do to you without having you telling him what to do. Your "try telling that to any woman".. Sorry but not all of us want to date a puppy that needs verbal permission and confirmation to do everything they're thinking. That's extremely boring.
And before you go into another extremist rant... Men DO need consent to be with a woman. Men CAN'T touch any woman who doesn't wanna be touched by them. But there are many ways to consent other than a verbal agreement. If he hugs you and you hug him back, that's consent for the hug. If you pull back and say no, then it stops there. If he stares at you and you at him and you're moving closer to each other until your lips touch, that's another way of consenting to the kiss.
😉 Hope you chill down a bit, it will make your life more enjoyable and less resentful.
@deleted user I "missed" that point because neither you neither me are mind readers. You only know she us attracted to the mc because the manga told you so. You observed the whole situation from third person and saw both sides first person too. So your views are biased. Look at it from mc's perspective. There is this woman he likes who is going through a lot of things and needs his help sometimes. They get along and it seems to be progressing well. Then he asks for a kiss and there is no answer. Absolutely zero indication of attraction. And my biggest reason for calling it out: they don't get together after. Moan all you want you can't ignore this point. The main character literally said she is not ready for it (yeah yeah for outside reasons but it still means the same).
Also nice try at a personal attack but I'm not single got a cute boyfriend for myself
"Taking the first step" is not kissing her but asking if he can kiss her. Which he did. Or pulling her closer.
And can you tell me what "non verbal consent" happened between asking for a kiss and kissing her?
Another nice try at personal attack to discredit my point by calling me angry but don't see how that would disprove any of my points. Maybe try actual reasoning instead of ad hominem attacks?
@tormasi oouuhhh heelllll nooo! You are not talking for all women and by the gigantic amount of likes you have, that fact is rather clear. No, no. Give me that sweet sweet man who will charm me, romance me, take care of me, and kiss me dearly when he can't hold his passion for me any second longer. I do not require him to ask for consent from a lawyer and a judge before he kisses me. Thank you very much
PS: the fact that she blushed, stared at him lovingly asking -what?- and placed her hand over his chest instead of taking a step back, being disgusted, and saying no instead of gasping what Is essentially her letting him know for sure she likes him too and it is a yes for the kiss The Male Lead doesn't need to be a reader or third party to get she likes him too.
@Falluja so once again let's observe this situation from male leadás perspective, shall we? First of all, blushed. Who wouldn't when they get asked if they can be kissed? Even if asked by someone they aren't attracted to but is a friend (she thought of him as a friend and were slightly attracted keep in mind). Then placing the hand on chest could easily be a way to create distance or a precaution to do that. Gasping, once again, she just got asked by her friend if he can kiss her.
None of this was consent, it was all shock
As for likes, I don't really care what incels think on the internet I'm here to read mangas
Also your projected fantasies are no basis for real life comparing (which this was in the beginning trying to be funny). Just ask yourself: if a handsome friend of mine asked if I wanted to kiss and then procceded to do so without as much as waiting for a second, would I have the same opinion?
@tormasi chill bro. You said it yourself, these manhwas are 'projected fantasies'. We REALLY don't need to ruin these with exhaustive analyses of 'is it enthusiastic consent or not', 'is it cool or not' etc etc. These are fantasies and please let them remain as such. This is NOT a real world and prople are NOT taking lessons in consent from a manhwa. I think human beings are at least that smart. So chill. And if this content is not to your liking, you can ALWAYS opt to stop reading.
