@Vernbridge yes, it's true, but most of the time, when we start reading, they already became weak and lost their prime strength, because of their leader died or the murim alliance became stronger. Here's an example: absolute sword sense. And there is also demonic cults who are neutral and mostly has an area for themself like: the chronicles of the heavenly demon (it was actually a good until 100+ chapters). And of course there are manwhas that start with the demonic cult or in war with them, like: the new manwha, childhood friend of the zenith or the venom dragon.
Water is neutral. It kills who the fu** he wants.
