That's the right move: direct, devoid of misinterpretations, basta! Leave the boy to the one who cares about him.
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Can we please have the next chapter soon?
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hehaiswhaha8 days ago
@hehaiswhaha Chapter 115 - Jaehyuk literally asked Garam whether he chooses to continue dating without hiding their relationship or put an end to it all. So, for Garam it is indeed about coming-out what he fears. For Jaehyuk it's about their relationship, thus he tries to help Garam with his fears - that's my perception of the story, at least. So, all the aspects brought up by the readers are present and valid.
No need to offend anyone here in the chat - that only indicates your own miserable level, never that of others.
No need to offend anyone here in the chat - that only indicates your own miserable level, never that of others.
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@Kokoro omg are you really that dumb? if garam seriously talked to jk about it your deada...
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i.Slay_.YoureGay8 days ago
@i.Slay_.YoureGay SM in itself wasn't that bad in this webtoon - the story compensated for this stuff I'm not quite into. But the psycho element of the latest few chapters is somewhat over-the-board for me.
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@Tetiana LMAO I DIDNT EVEN START READING THIS SH**, IS IT THAT BAD??...
Ok, I guess I've reached my "breaking" point by now, so I'm quitting here. Have fun all staying here 😃
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Gillji10 days ago
@Gillji Thank you so much for pointing this out! 'Cause really, with all this talk about coming-out or not, people seem to miss what it's all about actually. Here I refer to their phone call when Garam said it's not normal what Jaehyuk's been doing for him, among other things - cutting contact with his parents. Garam doesn't grasp what being in a relationship means: if Jaehyuk's parents reaction makes Garam miserable, it's natural for Jaehyuk to avoid this "stress factor", 'cause he cares about his boyfriend. In this regard Jaehyuk is more mature and understands better how a relationship functions. Garam, on the other hand, seems to fix on himself entirely instead. Not ready for a relationship, then don't start one.
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@Tetiana that's what I am saying
It seems like he do not want to change air try to ...
It seems like he do not want to change air try to ...
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Kokoro10 days ago
@Kokoro Yes, the BL highlights the specific problems LGBTQ+ bumps into, so the readers can gain a better understanding of what it feels like to be the one affected. Still, it's not different from other discrimination, be it nationality, religion, migration background related, etc. It feels equally shi*** to be affected by the bad treatment of one's surrounding: it's never fair, 'cause nothing and never justifies discrimination. No one is choosing their sexual orientation - the same as nationality. It's all the same: when affected, one has to cope with it.
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I wonder how many of the commentators have actually experience of coming out.... the audacity of ...
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Kokoro10 days ago
@Kokoro I agree on your point about different countries' handling LGBTQ+ related issues with different degree of severity and the impact it has on those directly affected. Still, I've a different perspective on which approach might prove as more effective for LGBTQ+ people to cope with their respective societies' "homophoby & Co". In this regard I like Jaehyuk's mindset: he doesn't give a sh** about who might think what about him being gay or what-not. And that's the best way to handle all the assh**** of this world - their opinion is worth nothing, and this message needs to be delivered to them!
As not personally affected by Garam's fears of coming out, I might not wholly understand him, but: what he suffered in his past surely isn't much different from being mobbed - and here I have a first-hand experience (in Germany, by the way). Hiding in a corner doesn't fix anything. To change smth, Garam needs to start with himself: he needs to change his own perception of being gay, stop thinking too much about how others might view him. 'Cause, really, the majority wouldn't care at all, and a handful of assh**** can't be too dificult to handle - his ex Garam could handle on his own just fine. So, it's not about changing others, but one's own precious self. And that's what Jaehuyk is trying to do: help Garam this way.
As not personally affected by Garam's fears of coming out, I might not wholly understand him, but: what he suffered in his past surely isn't much different from being mobbed - and here I have a first-hand experience (in Germany, by the way). Hiding in a corner doesn't fix anything. To change smth, Garam needs to start with himself: he needs to change his own perception of being gay, stop thinking too much about how others might view him. 'Cause, really, the majority wouldn't care at all, and a handful of assh**** can't be too dificult to handle - his ex Garam could handle on his own just fine. So, it's not about changing others, but one's own precious self. And that's what Jaehuyk is trying to do: help Garam this way.
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Sour Cinnamin10 days ago
@Sour Cinnamin I think the same way. To wait for Garam to change by himself his mindset about being gay will take an eternity. And: success not guaranteed.
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Everyone's cursing at someone in the comments and im just thinking that this is GREAT exposure thera...
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I ONLY BARK FOR LEE HYOIN10 days ago
@I ONLY BARK FOR LEE HYOIN Not sure if that was me for angry-face click - wasn't intentional, in any case.
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@Gillji yea but it gets to a point where it starts affecting their partner who has waited ...
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Gillji10 days ago
@Gillji In case of Garam it would take like forever, then
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@Sour Cinnamin fears can be overcome when one wants to overcome it themselves...
Ok, pretty quick straight to the point 😃
Looks like it might be a better move for both simply to split. No matter for how long. Just to sort everything out.
Geez, a pedofile! Now the ml has to guard Shizuku!
Strange when parents choose to love one child and neglect the other. It leaves scars on those neglected - take precautions not to get with child if it's not wanted, then! I wonder if the mc's mother actually registers her oldest son reactions. The least she could do is picking up her youngest from the kindergarten by herself, honestly.
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TeamLeewon14 days ago
@TeamLeewon I agree on leaving Garam alone as a better choice of action for Jaehyuk, and probably in general when two people in a relationship have different views on living in the closet vs. coming out. This wouldn't suit Jaehyuk's character, though: he plunges in every situation fully straightforward, stepping aside is not an option for him if he wants smth dearly. Extreems meet, as they say. Garam might be a total opposite to Jaehyuk as far as their characters are concerned, buy maybe that's the most effective way to help Garam cope with his anxieties: left alone, he'd probably calm down somewhat, but I doubt he'd deal his fears on his own. He's very insecure. And stubborn as he thinks Jaehyuk's coming out might be a bother to him as well. Garam doesn't seem to check that other people might not care at all about all this. So here he consciously keeps to his insecurities.
Sure, the author will find the way to put everything right, and I think that's the right choice to put Garam through Jaehyuk's "foolishness". He needs to see another side to being gay - when others don't care how you live your life, that is.
Sure, the author will find the way to put everything right, and I think that's the right choice to put Garam through Jaehyuk's "foolishness". He needs to see another side to being gay - when others don't care how you live your life, that is.
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@Tetiana you're absolutely right. Analytical is the wrong word choice. I should have gone...
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starrystar15 days ago
@starrystar Thanks for constant dislikes 😄
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@Tetiana Seems to me he's coping well enough if he was able to face his ex head-on and dr...
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TeamLeewon15 days ago
@TeamLeewon FYI: "Being analytical refers to the ability to break down complex problems or situations into smaller, manageable parts to better understand their structure and relationships. It involves applying a logical, critical, and methodical thought process to assess information, identify root causes, and make decisions based on facts and data rather than intuition or emotion."
Guess this attribute is false to apply to Garam. The usual field to apply such attributes is e.g. research. In this webtoon we have a relationship.
Guess this attribute is false to apply to Garam. The usual field to apply such attributes is e.g. research. In this webtoon we have a relationship.
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Jae is acting out of desperation. The same behaviour we see when he realized he actually loved Garam...
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TeamLeewon15 days ago
@TeamLeewon What makes you think Garam is analytical? His moving "slowly and deliberately" as you put it, I see rather as afraid and insecure.
Jaehyuk is "spouting nonsense" not because he is afraid of Garam ending their relationship: Garam already ended their relationship by not reacting in any way to lift Jaehyuk's doubts concerning the future of their relationship. Jaehyuk tries to help Garam with his insecurities.
What does Garam need to hear, in your understanding please?
I do get it that we all see the whole situation in a different way. That's probably all it is to it.
Jaehyuk is "spouting nonsense" not because he is afraid of Garam ending their relationship: Garam already ended their relationship by not reacting in any way to lift Jaehyuk's doubts concerning the future of their relationship. Jaehyuk tries to help Garam with his insecurities.
What does Garam need to hear, in your understanding please?
I do get it that we all see the whole situation in a different way. That's probably all it is to it.
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Jae is acting out of desperation. The same behaviour we see when he realized he actually loved Garam...
It's abuse, both psychological and physical. Even if Wookyun is into the physical stuff, I guess there're limits to or no place at all for the psycho sh**. Sorry, my perception is this way.
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