Comment by BeautyIsPain on juneee

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@juneee no, I wouldn't agree with the author in that situation. The author probably wouldn't defend that either, as she did include a gang r*pe scene (David Kim) and didn't defend it. She went as far as public defending Jo against r*pe allegations and condemning those who argued against her when she cleared it up because that's not what took place in that scene. She said the point was to show Jo's growing obsession with Ian, but he did not r*pe him.

I'm 31, and I am a survivor of sexual assault. I'm also the family member of someone who was falsely accused. As someone who has experienced the trauma and devastation of sexual violation, I wouldn't consider this r*pe. As someone who has experienced the devastation of watching my family member's life crumble for being falsely accused, even after he was proven innocent and the girl admitted that she lied, I do not considered this r*pe. I consulted with both a cop and a lawyer, per this specific situation, and was told it is not r*pe. The author herself said it is not r*pe. Are these people also unqualified to have conversations about consent because their opinion and expertise is different from yours?

Idk what else you would need to understand that you are wrong about this specific situation. While your understanding of consent is correct, context is also important. Taking a snippet of a situation and focusing solely on that instead of the situation as a whole, labeling it as a crime, and falsely condemning someone -- fictional or not -- as a perpetrator of said crime is extremely harmful. Morally what Jo did was wrong. Legally, he did not commit a crime. If you can't understand that, it's simply because you don't want to.

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@BeautyIsPain i work with survivors of sexual assault. i’ve spoken to them, held space for their stories & listened to what it actually means to lose your autonomy in a moment when you’re most vulnerable. let me be absolutely clear: what jo did to ian, using his unconscious body for his own gratification, is rаpe. consent must be given willingly, consciously & clearly. an unconscious person cannot give consent. i’m honestly sorry that at 31 you still don’t understand that.
as for david kim, no one is out here defending him & that’s the difference. people aren’t excusing what he did because he isn’t attractive or tragic or obsessive in a way that appeals to certain readers. but jo? jo gets defended because he’s “pretty” & “in love”. this happens all the time in real life that abusers get romanticized when they’re palatable enough, when they’re framed as misunderstood or passionate. that doesn’t make the violation any less real.
you can spin it however you want. you can bring up lawyers, cops, even the author, who frankly doesn’t get to rewrite the ethics of consent just because she wants her plot to go a certain way. but none of that erases the fact: what happened was non-consensual. if that makes you uncomfortable, maybe sit with that discomfort instead of trying to rationalize the irredeemable.