Comment by bibliophage on Wet Sand - Chapter 75

@bibliophage YES, i got 25 ish hate emojis when i said they were not good for each other. some people cannot grasp reality

@bladdictandproudofit sorry for the angry reaction just pressed the wrong button.

I also agree with your opions like the fu** is wrong with everyone choosing red flags. 
Why dont they just let the charater be with what the author have decided..

@bibliophage YES I AGREE OMFG

@Oh no Red flag? Jo who literally raped a man who passed out and then came on his face is not a red flag?

@bladdictandproudofit the most problematic thing is that just saying TJ and Ian are not healthy and good together at this stage of their relationship is enough to make ppl assume you think Jo is some kind of saint. Jo continuing to have s3x when Ian passed out back in chapter 10 or something is also bad. if you start keeping track of everybody's wrongdoings in this manhwa you're gonna be here a while.

TJ can be every kind of good in the world but at the end of the day he can't force Ian to be with him--so about we focus on Ian's character arc? his childhood, and what it meant for the way he avoids or craves attachment? or TJ and how strong his dependency on Ian is, to the point where Ian wanted to create distance for their own mutual good?

there's a 1001 interesting things about this manhwa and all i'm seeing is comments like "TJ is working so hard for Ian i hope they get together" chapter after chapter, the same opinions. that's nothing but an echo chamber and it's such a da** shame for a manhwa with a story this dense

@Jennifer not defending Jo's actions, but what took place between him and Ian at the camp site was not grape. They were having consensual s**, Ian finished and passed out, Jo continued (like 2 or 3 more pumps) and finished. That happens quite often and is not considered grape. The entire process was consensual. Was it off putting? Yes. Should Jo have stopped when Ian passed out? Yes. Did he grape him? No.

I'm really tired of seeing people on here choose what they want to acknowledge as grape. When it really happens in a story, y'all defend it. But when you don't like a character (Jo), you stretch the truth and use it as a way to demonize him. It's really annoying.

@bibliophage I love your comment! This story is so well written and so full of complexities in relationships and characters; that's why I love it so much. It honestly pmo how so many readers make it about who is endgame when that is not even the fuc**** point. Makes me feel like we're not reading the same story sometimes lol.

@BeautyIsPain If someone sees their partner has lost consciousness and still chooses to keep thrusting into their body — that's ra**. Consent is not optional. Once it’s gone, whatever follows is violence, not intimacy. So yeah, Jo raped Ian.

@Mari while I do not disagree with you, you are wrong. This situation is nuanced, and again, is a very common occurrence in s3x.

One person will usually finish before the other person. It's not uncommon for the person who did not finish to continue until they do. It's also not uncommon for someone to pass out/fall asleep after they cvm. Rarely in these situations would either party agree that what took place was grape, precisely because the whole encounter was consensual.

What happened between Ian and Jo was entirely consensual, even if Ian finished and passed out first. And honestly, if Ian were a real person, I'm sure he would tell you the same.

@BeautyIsPain No, let's be clear — what Jo did was rаpe. There's no "nuance" in fuсking someone who's unconscious. Consent ends the moment a person is no longer able to give it. If Ian is passed out, he cannot consent. Period.

And this isn't some vague gray area — Ian has already been raped before by David Kim in exactly the same way: when he was unconscious and defenseless. Doyak showed us those flashbacks right after Jo did the same thing in the tent not by accident, but to make it crystal clear that what happened was a violation.

Trying to excuse that as "common in s**" is disgusting. You're normalizing rаpe and calling it "realism". There's nothing romantic or justifiable about what Jo did. It was rаpe. Call it what it is.