Comment by Incubae on Reincarnated as the lazy and villainous noble, I broke the scenario and became the most formidable with extraordinary magic - Chapter 17

@Incubae yeah mc is a dic

@Incubae   "Slavery isn't evil"  isn't wrong as a opinion though. Think about it this way if you're a poor village girl/boy let's say the third child or something and the poor family you have can't afford to feed you, your sometimes better off becoming a slave turned helper somewhere then staying in that poor family only to get either killed in difficult times,Sold as h-oe or outright die of starvation when they're low on food. Yes there's a possibility of poor to horrible treatment for slaves if they end up with cr@ppy owners but there's a equal possibility of getting a normal or nice person as a owner who just needs extra help so yes  "Slavery isn't evil" "people are evil" and in Weiss world slavery is treated as a normal work/labor system in society so it's up to the people to decide if it's evil or not by the results of the owners actions basically. I don't support slavery but you can't say a "Tool or system" is inherently evil just because most of what you see/heard about it is only the Dark sides as those tend to be the most spoken about parts and the small good it does didn't get talked about.

@Yuki Wow, are you serious? Do you know that, even in 2025, there are still many children being used as slaves? Do you really believe that this is somehow better for them?

I agree that a tool itself isn’t evil; it’s the way someone uses it that determines whether it’s good or bad. But slavery is not a tool. No matter how someone tries to justify or romanticize it—like in stories where slaves are supposedly treated well—that simply doesn’t exist in reality.

The moment someone buys or acquires another human being by their own choice, it means they either don’t value life at all or see it only in terms of money. And that is wrong.

So what you call a tool or a system isn’t something that’s needed; it’s simply the result of the twisted side of humanity.

@Yuki this
if a criminal is condemned to a slavery then is good.

@inhuman Your talking about modern times, I'm talking about the medieval style Periods like Weiss is in right now (though his has magic in it). Your thinking of when it's times of peace and I'm talking of times when it is not peaceful or stable, there's a lot wrong with weiss's world and in a time with no support system for the common people who don't have the money to feed everyone (nor does everyone have a way to protect themselves against monster attacks) they create that isn't a completely useless choice to become a slave to feed not only yourself but save someone in your own family from death or starvation and don't forget in his world there's a possibility to work that off and Free yourself if you have a good "owner". Now you're not thinking at all about extreme situations or extreme choices you're only talking about it like a fortunate person who never had to make a difficult choice, I get it your not that orphan that can't feed themselves and you're definitely not that poor Farmer's child who has to do something extreme to survive... Your just a modern person with an overly heroic opinion that doesn't fit the situation that's being talked about. So if you're not actually listening to the scenario properly you only sound like a deaf,blind fool. I'm talking in the comment above about a situation where it would actually be necessary for survival to place yourself in slavery and those two choices you proposed above were never part of it. If you want to rant take it up with someone who actually said something wrong instead of a neutral opinion and a unreasonable scenario like I proposed.

@Yuki First, don’t assume you know anything about my life or what I may or may not have faced. Comments like “you’ve never had to face that kind of hardship” say more about your need to dismiss opposing views than about reality. You don’t get to judge people you don’t know in order to strengthen your argument.

Second, people don’t need monsters to live in fear. History — and the present — shows that human predators are more than enough. Exploitation, violence, and abuse flourish wherever misery exists, because there will always be scumbags ready to take advantage of the weak.

Saying this is a “medieval problem” also misses the point. The era doesn’t matter. Slavery isn’t a product of instability, magic, monsters, or lack of infrastructure — it’s a twisted system created and maintained by twisted people to strip others of freedom and dignity. The logic is always the same: bully the weak, fear the strong.

Romanticizing slavery as a “necessary choice” doesn’t make it less violent. Calling an owner “good” doesn’t change the core fact: one human being owns another. That alone is the problem. A system that relies on desperation to function is not pragmatic — it’s predatory.

And your argument is built almost entirely on “ifs”: if the owner is kind, if the person can eventually buy back their freedom, if things go well. Hypotheticals don’t prove anything. A system that only looks acceptable under ideal conditions isn’t neutral — it’s fundamentally flawed.

Finally, before accusing others of ranting, it would help to make the effort to structure your own thoughts clearly. A text that jumps everywhere and relies on personal assumptions doesn’t strengthen your position — it just makes it exhausting to read.

@inhuman Yuki is correct, slavery by itself isn't evil and has never historically been evil.  It's also not a single thing and people who think that slavery only means X or Y don't understand the fundamental concept of what slavery is.  By many historical definitions, slavery would include anyone who isn't self-employed or holds debt of any kind.  By our current standards, forced prositition, service in the army and prison are all considered forms of slavery since your body is not your own.  To claim that "slavery is bad" is to fundamentally fail to understand what slavery is.  The version of slavery IN YOUR HEAD or perhaps during a certain point in history in a certain place in the world (like chattel slavery) might be bad and we can call out those evil deeds individually for what they are.

@Prinzinc This argument relies on redefining slavery so broadly that the word loses all meaning. If “slavery” includes employment, debt, prison, and military service, then the term no longer describes a specific system — it just becomes a rhetorical weapon.

Historically and legally, slavery is defined by one core element: the ownership of a human being as property, with the denial of freedom enforced by coercion and violence. Not “owing money,” not “having obligations,” not “being subject to law.”

Comparing slavery to employment or voluntary service is a false equivalence. An employee can leave. A citizen can contest the law. A slave cannot — because their body and labor are owned by someone else.

Yes, forced prostitution and certain prison practices can be described as slavery-like — precisely because they involve coercion and loss of autonomy. That doesn’t make slavery morally neutral; it proves the opposite.

Saying slavery “has never been historically evil” ignores the reality that it has always depended on violence, dehumanization, and exploitation of the vulnerable. Calling specific versions bad while defending the system itself is contradictory.

Expanding definitions to avoid moral judgment isn’t intellectual clarity — it’s moral evasion.

@Yuki "akshually black people should be grateful we enslaved their ancestors, otherwise they'd still be living in jungles" I have heard this used by several people, that's you.

@aasegovia88 No, it isn't. Jim Crow laws you stupid bi***, after Jim Crow laws were repealed and black people truly gained equal status, they needed a new way to enslave black people again, in came making pot illegal which was something almost no whites did, they had a new way to enslave blacks, mexicans and Natives. Prison labor is slave labor, the prisons "rent" them out, even fuc**** California does this, they got caught a few years ago with the Cali wildfires using prisoners to fight fires.