Comment by Thato Mashigo on BeautyIsPain

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@BeautyIsPain  I am all for having a healthy debate. However all you have done here is attack me as a person- (which I find quite rude but we'll leave that for another day) and provided mostly incorrect information to disprove my findings and substantiate your own.
1.Now I will agree with you that Jae is sadistic- definitely not disagreeing there. But you said Jae "threatened " to beat Dan up- and that never happened and I'll challenge you to give me the exact episode where Jae explicitly said to Dan "I will beat you up if you don't accept my proposition "
2. Never in my comment did I say Dan deserves the treatment he's getting from Jae- just only that taking into account the previous two instances- we all saw him explicitly and vehemently reject and refuse the sexual assault attempts so clearly he has the capability to refuse/reject if he doesn't want to.
3. You used the word "force"- which from my understanding means not giving someone a choice or an option to refuse and like I mentioned in my second point- Dan was able to make a choice regarding those previous attempts so if he truly truly didn't want to he could have refused.
4. Dan and his grandmother have always been in debt- so the matter of his financial situation is not anything new- yet he still managed to "survive"- so I'm not understanding what you mean when you imply that accepting Jae's proposition was the only choice Dan had.
So in conclusion to reiterate my initial point- Dan had a choice and the choice he decided to take was to accept Jae's proposition. We can debate about the semantics of morality and whether or not Jae is nice to Dan and treats him like a Princess- but you can't say is that Dan was forced or threatened. The evidence disproves your theory.

So good day to you.

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@Thato Mashigo I appreciate the way you responded. I apologize for that offending you. Your comment triggered me, so those words came from a hurt place. 

That aside, healthy debate accepted. 
1. I never said Jaekyung threatened to beat Dan up if he didn't take the deal. I said he threatened to beat him up if he didn't go along with the s**. And he did. Please refer to chapter 3 (https://mangabuddy.com/jinx/chapter-3). Dan tells him that he changed his mind and can't go through with it, pushes him away multiple times, asks him to stop multiple times, and Jaekyung threatens him each time. He literally says shut up and take it. If you read a bit back to halfway through ch.2, you will see Dan get scared when Jaekyung roughs up the other guy he was sleeping with. He was afraid of Jae from the beginning.
2. You'll also see in ch.3 that Dan only had a little more than $5 in his bank account before the initial night with Jae. He was broke. He couldn't take care of himself, so yes, he was forced to take the deal because of that. It even takes you through his internal dilemma regarding his financial situation. Did he have a choice? Technically, yes. But if you think about it, he really didn't. Refusing would have meant being beaten and possibly killed for being unable to pay the loan sharks, his grandma possibly dying from not getting treatment, and him being hungry and homeless.
(Part 1 of 2. My comment was too long 🙃)
@Thato Mashigo (Part 2 of 2)

3. There have been a few times (ch.3 and ch.8) where Dan physically fought back against Jae. I'm not gonna post a link to every chapter, but as the story progresses, you see him become conditioned to fight back less and less. However, that does not negate the fact that he does not want to have s** with Jae. He is still vocal about his discomfort. He asks Jae several times during their encounters to stop, slow down, wait, please be gentler, and Jae ignores him every time. While he is not being physically held down and forced to comply, Dan is still being assaulted. This is a type of coercion that violates the other person under the pretense that they have previously given consent and can't change their mind. It's very dangerous.
 
I can go on and on lol. I think I've given you enough analysis with evidence to prove my point. "Dan had a choice" simplifies a complex situation in a way that overlooks the inherent wrongness of Jaekyung's actions. Consent is more complex than agreeing to engage, especially in the context of s**.