So far Dan has had two attempted sexual assaults. 1. From the hospital director of which he even lost his job and got blacklisted 2. From those loan sharks So my investigative findings tell me that if Dan didn't want to be *ahem* by Jae- he would've never agreed. In conclusion I am no longer defending Dan- he knows what he's doing. Good day
@Thato Mashigo this comment is so offensive, it's almost violent. Saying that anyone wants to be sexually assaulted is insulting. Did you ever think that maybe Dan is just fuc**** traumatized? He completely lost his livelihood to a sicko who couldn't handle rejection. He was forced to take the deal with Jaekyung because he needed money to survive and to pay for his grandmother's treatment. That doesn't give Jaekyung the right to assault him. He literally threatened to beat Dan up if he didn't go along with it. And now Dan feels indebted to Jae because he saved him from being assaulted by those thugs and paid off his debts. He didn't ask for any of that sh** to happen to him, and he sure as he** doesn't deserve to be treated the way he is treated by Jaekyung. You need help.
@BeautyIsPain I am all for having a healthy debate. However all you have done here is attack me as a person- (which I find quite rude but we'll leave that for another day) and provided mostly incorrect information to disprove my findings and substantiate your own. 1.Now I will agree with you that Jae is sadistic- definitely not disagreeing there. But you said Jae "threatened " to beat Dan up- and that never happened and I'll challenge you to give me the exact episode where Jae explicitly said to Dan "I will beat you up if you don't accept my proposition " 2. Never in my comment did I say Dan deserves the treatment he's getting from Jae- just only that taking into account the previous two instances- we all saw him explicitly and vehemently reject and refuse the sexual assault attempts so clearly he has the capability to refuse/reject if he doesn't want to. 3. You used the word "force"- which from my understanding means not giving someone a choice or an option to refuse and like I mentioned in my second point- Dan was able to make a choice regarding those previous attempts so if he truly truly didn't want to he could have refused. 4. Dan and his grandmother have always been in debt- so the matter of his financial situation is not anything new- yet he still managed to "survive"- so I'm not understanding what you mean when you imply that accepting Jae's proposition was the only choice Dan had. So in conclusion to reiterate my initial point- Dan had a choice and the choice he decided to take was to accept Jae's proposition. We can debate about the semantics of morality and whether or not Jae is nice to Dan and treats him like a Princess- but you can't say is that Dan was forced or threatened. The evidence disproves your theory.
@Thato Mashigo I appreciate the way you responded. I apologize for that offending you. Your comment triggered me, so those words came from a hurt place.
That aside, healthy debate accepted. 1. I never said Jaekyung threatened to beat Dan up if he didn't take the deal. I said he threatened to beat him up if he didn't go along with the s**. And he did. Please refer to chapter 3 (https://mangabuddy.com/jinx/chapter-3). Dan tells him that he changed his mind and can't go through with it, pushes him away multiple times, asks him to stop multiple times, and Jaekyung threatens him each time. He literally says shut up and take it. If you read a bit back to halfway through ch.2, you will see Dan get scared when Jaekyung roughs up the other guy he was sleeping with. He was afraid of Jae from the beginning. 2. You'll also see in ch.3 that Dan only had a little more than $5 in his bank account before the initial night with Jae. He was broke. He couldn't take care of himself, so yes, he was forced to take the deal because of that. It even takes you through his internal dilemma regarding his financial situation. Did he have a choice? Technically, yes. But if you think about it, he really didn't. Refusing would have meant being beaten and possibly killed for being unable to pay the loan sharks, his grandma possibly dying from not getting treatment, and him being hungry and homeless. (Part 1 of 2. My comment was too long 🙃)
3. There have been a few times (ch.3 and ch.8) where Dan physically fought back against Jae. I'm not gonna post a link to every chapter, but as the story progresses, you see him become conditioned to fight back less and less. However, that does not negate the fact that he does not want to have s** with Jae. He is still vocal about his discomfort. He asks Jae several times during their encounters to stop, slow down, wait, please be gentler, and Jae ignores him every time. While he is not being physically held down and forced to comply, Dan is still being assaulted. This is a type of coercion that violates the other person under the pretense that they have previously given consent and can't change their mind. It's very dangerous.
I can go on and on lol. I think I've given you enough analysis with evidence to prove my point. "Dan had a choice" simplifies a complex situation in a way that overlooks the inherent wrongness of Jaekyung's actions. Consent is more complex than agreeing to engage, especially in the context of s**.
@BeautyIsPain Thank you for your response and I appreciate the civility in your response. I would also like to apologise for my comment triggering you and for the lack of compassion in it. As I was conducting an investigation I wanted or tried to be as objective as possible. Now I took the liberty of referring back to the episode you referenced in your argument- and found that Jae stated on two separate occasions for Dan to leave if he didn't want to- or as Jae said "to get out"- however I will agree that Dan could have felt threatened/forced to go along with the act as Jae did also include rhetoric that can definitely be perceived as a threat- so I will agree with you on that point for that first encounter they had. However I continued with the story (again) past the episode you referenced and found that Dan went to Jae's apartment voluntarily (and by voluntarily I mean no one came to his house and forced him against his will to go to Jae's place), secondly he renegotiated the terms of Jae's intial proposition (and from my understanding being forced means there's an absence of choice or negotiation, however I could be wrong) to which Jae agreed however followed that up with a rebuttal/counter proposal of his own. To which Dan agreed saying "A-alright" and saying in his head, "I can do this. I knew what I was getting myself into." And also Jae mentioned the first time when they engaged in carnal activity that Dan crying/whining, etc only serves to turn him (Jae) more on- so the instances you referred to where Dan asked Jae to be gentler, to slow down, etc could very well have been perceived as foreplay to Jae. I do hope however that I am wrong in my analysis- we will have to see if or when Dan's financial situation becomes better if he will continue on- and now maybe Dan truly has no choice as he is indebted to Jae - however I will still have to disagree with the notion that Dan didn't have a choice.
@Thato Mashigo Sorry! I was trying to like the comment, not dislike it! Either way, thanks for responding. Not many people like to take the time to read long analysis posts lol. It's nice having someone to really discuss the story in depth with. I respect your position now that I understand where you are coming from. Looking forward to more banter in the future! 😊
