@BeautyIsPain No, let's be clear — what Jo did was rаpe. There's no "nuance" in fuсking someone who's unconscious. Consent ends the moment a person is no longer able to give it. If Ian is passed out, he cannot consent. Period.
And this isn't some vague gray area — Ian has already been raped before by David Kim in exactly the same way: when he was unconscious and defenseless. Doyak showed us those flashbacks right after Jo did the same thing in the tent not by accident, but to make it crystal clear that what happened was a violation.
Trying to excuse that as "common in s**" is disgusting. You're normalizing rаpe and calling it "realism". There's nothing romantic or justifiable about what Jo did. It was rаpe. Call it what it is.
@Mari I went back to reread that chapter, just in case I missed something, and you are still wrong. Even more wrong now that you compared what happened with David Kim to what happened with Jo.
David KimdruggedIan andforcefully held him downwhile gang raping him with his buddies. That's why there were needle marks and multiple hand prints on Ian's arms and wrists in the flashback. He is the person that got Ian addicted to drugs. And it was not a one time thing; they did that to Ian several times. Comparing David Kim's repeated assaults to Ian having consensual s3x with a guy he likes is disgusting and it completely downplays the severity of that situation and the trauma connected to it. You should be ashamed of yourself for even writing that.
Stop making up sh!t just because you don't like a character. Doyak wasn't trying to illustrate the false point that you made. Those flashbacks weren't even right after the camping trip. They took place 6-10 chapters later.
You can call it a difference in perception, but what I explained does happen often and is not considered grape (never called it "realism" btw; you made that up too). Like I said before, the s3x between Jo and Ian was entirelyconsensual, even if Ian did pass out after he came. Did that make it right for Jo to continue? No. It's dubious consent, at most. But not grape. You just want it to be grape, so that it fits your narrative.
You endgame shippers get on my nerves. You diminish such a well written story down to which male lead "gets the guy" because he's better. It's fvcking stupid. All of these characters are flawed. All of them have issues that they need to work through. The point is that no one is perfect. Humans are deeply complex individuals who sometimes end up in deeply complex situations, just like these characters. But I have a question for you: if TJ had done what Jo did, would you still think it's grape?
