@Ungar i don't know what to say anymore, it's like i'am talking to a wall, "If you were human, you would understand that when someone hurts you, regardless of their trauma, your own feelings and pain still matter. You are not a robot". And in case you didn't catch my drift, this wasn't directed at you; it was a general statement about human beings. It means that as a human, you . You should know how to empathize with yourself, so consequently, if someone treats you badly, regardless of whatever trauma they may have, your own emotions naturally come first. Because you live your life firsthand, you don't just watch it from above, so it's obvious your feelings come first. Then, if someone hurts you—no matter what trauma they have—if it hurts you, it makes sense to react accordingly. And well yes, how you treat others and how you are treated is more important . That's because people can't just read your mind to figure out what you're going through. They see you for how you present yourself. Obviously, if you don't tell them what's wrong, they're just going to judge you based on your behavior. If you treat them badly, they will judge you for how you treat them. So yes, trauma is trauma, and it's a terrible thing, okay? But that doesn't give you a free pass to mistreat someone. That is what I meant. How do you think people feel when their family is murdered, only for the perpetrator to be handed a free pass under the guise of anonymity and trauma? How do you think they could possibly feel? That’s what I was trying to say, but I guess you either didn’t read it carefully or you completely misinterpreted it. Fine, think whatever you want. You're right, okay? Let's just end it here. Every time I open this site and the first thing I see is a message from you, it ruins my day. (nothing personal but because I suffer from social anxiety and these endless discussions drain my energy )So, let's just drop it Not to mention that you wrote: 'Well-written stories don't always have a happy ending" "Well-written stories always need a sad ending" First of all you wrote those things (Now in the message I'm replying to), I didn't. I actually went back to check my messages and I never said any of that stuff—absolutely not. I'm just so tired of this. It seriously feels like you're misunderstanding me on purpose. Either English isn't your first language(But it's the same for me, I feel like I understand more, since you're the one who misinterprets everything I say) or I don't know what's going on, unless I'm the one who's going crazy. This will be the last time I answer you, I will not read what you write to me anymore and if you want to have the last word you are welcome have a wonderfull day miss or mister

@Ungar Look, basically everything you say makes absolutely no sense because you keep putting words in my mouth. I simply said that he is an adult and should take responsibility for his actions. Don't come here telling me otherwise, because you all act as if you're the only ones who have ever experienced trauma. Newsflash: plenty of people out there have gone through horrific trauma, yet they don't act like jerks or drag others into their issues. It doesn't work that way. We are different precisely because everyone has their own way of dealing with pain. But you are actively defending someone who has trauma and make others suffer, and I will not forgive that. My example fits perfectly, yours doesn't. Just because someone has trauma doesn't mean their bad behavior should be excused or instantly forgiven. You keep saying 'Oh, but I interpreted it this way,' but the truth is you didn't understand a single thing. If you actually read my comments properly, you’d get what I mean. But you don't even try. You just want to oppose me because you love being right and forcing your opinion. So fine, you're right. Let's just end it here. I won't write to you, and you won't write to me. I blocked you before because I wanted to put an end to this, but apparently even blocking doesn't work with you because you are desperate to be right. Go ahead and keep defending someone who uses trauma to justify everything they do. When someone with trauma treats you like garbage and you end up crying because you can't forgive what they did, then you'll finally understand what I’ve been telling you. Until then, I guess you'll just keep saying, 'Oh, poor things, everyone deals with trauma differently!' even when they do awful things. Everyone has trauma—some harder, some less severe—but we all have it. If a person makes terrible choices and hurts others, they do not deserve forgiveness in my book. If someone treats me like that, I don't sit there saying 'poor guy.' I walk away because they made me suffer. If you were human, you would understand that when someone hurts you—regardless of their trauma—your own feelings and heart still matter. You are not a robot. But you refuse to read what people actually write; you just stick to your opinion, refuse to understand others, Go ahead, do whatever you want, there's freedom of speech. But let's end it here. I am exhausted from carrying on this conversation. And yes, blocking you is the only way to put a definitive end to this without endless arguments. I would also like to tell you: who the fuck said that well-written stories can't have a sad ending? I never said that. See? You keep putting words in my mouth and twisting what I say. I simply stated that stories need to be well-written. I never said they must have a happy ending; you are the one who misinterpreted my words. Again. There are plenty of well-written stories out there with sad endings. Nana by Ai Yazawa, for example, is beautifully written because it develops and values all the characters and their struggles. There are many great stories like that, but this one just isn't. So stop putting words in my mouth, because I never said well-written stories always need a sad ending. And stop playing the victim in a situation where you aren't one, so stop trying to look good at my expense. Should we end it here? Yes, let's end it, because I'm tired of seeing your comments every time I open this site. You don't think you're being mean? Fine, that's your opinion. I'll stay on my side and you stay on yours. I unblocked you just to say this, but don't write to me anymore. Bye, have a good day and stop messaging me. Let's just end it here. Okay? (I don't want to talk to people who don't want to take into consideration what I say when I'm very willing to understand their side.)

@Ungar First of all, yes, you did put words in my mouth, Either way, stop saying things that aren't true, because I wrote what I wrote, and if you actually read it carefully, you would understand that I’m not blaming people who suffer from trauma. I’m blaming people who suffer from trauma and, in turn, inflict trauma on others—and well, yeah. I can understand that nowadays anyone can become an author, because from what I’ve been seeing lately, characters are written like sh*t. I mean, there's barely any character development. And as far as I'm concerned, that’s fine, because it just means less competition for the people who actually know how to write really well. so whatever Anyway, have a good day and let’s end this conversation right here, because it’s not going anywhere at all And besides, it’s not my fault that I expect well-written characters,I mean, I have high expectations because I assume that people who actually read things want great things, I expect a whole lot when I read a story, Because as someone who reads a lot, I expect other people who read and write to want something significant—not some Wattpad stories So anyway, have a good day and don't write to me anymore.(No offense but this conversation is never ending if you don't understand me and continue to think and write things that I didn't say, I understand your point of view but I don't share it because It's not general (you focus on those who have trauma but don't give a damn about the person who is treated badly by the person who has trauma) Let's end it with a gesture of peace goodbye🤝

@Rex8786 First of all, this comparison makes no sense because selective mutism belongs to that category of traumas that you can't control because it just happens(Besides, mutism trauma, what harm they doing to anyone?Apart from the person who lives it They don't hurt anyone! On the contrary, this person here has actually harmed someone. This entry means that with their problems, they dragged other people into their mess, okay? On the other hand, the trauma of going in to a toxic relationship Is Voluntary—because he wasn't forced, he went of his own free will and went out with this person, okay? (If he has any trauma, he should go to a psychologist and not make anyone else suffer.)The trauma of not speaking is involuntary; the trauma of going out with someone even when you're feeling bad is voluntary. I mean, it's not like someone blocks all your senses and controls you like a puppet. No, it doesn't work like that. It's something else. First of all, you don't understand , because I tried to understand you. If you actually read my comment carefully, you'd understand and know that I understood you perfectly, you didn't get my comparisons, you didn't get the point, and you keep bringing up things I didn't ask for. I'm telling you I'm upset about this because you defended a person while someone else was suffering. You're defending a person who makes someone else suffer. I don't give a d*mn if they have a trauma, you don't make someone suffer just because you suffered. I mean, do you think it's right that after suffering and suffering, I say fine, I'll make someone else suffer? Yes, because I can, because I suffered A trauma, so I'm authorized to make someone suffer. Yes! Do you think that's right? The core of everything written lies in suffering, in causing someone else to suffer, and in trying at any cost to defend that person because they have trauma. But that means nothing. It means nothing at all. A person who has trauma and causes someone else to suffer is not someone to be defended. If you have trauma and want my compassion, you behave well, You don't make others suffer; otherwise, this means you don't trully know what suffering is, because suffering is understanding Is also under standing that Is bad and not wanting to make someone else suffer. In that case, you are a hypocrite. And that is all I wanted to say. I would kindly ask you to never write again and to end this conversation here, because we have understood that you and I cannot understand each other. And that's okay; we are all different, and I can understand that. The fact that you do not understand what I say and try in any way to make me look like a bad person, which I am not, you think that people who have trauma have every right to make people who maybe do not have trauma suffer, well, I don't know, maybe you feel called out. So, anyway, have a good day and do not write to me anymore.

@Ungar And who said he isn't human and can't make mistakes? My issue with them is that they are inconsistent: they are defending someone who is hurting another person, yet telling us we shouldn't get angry even though, no one would want to be treated that way Besides, out of everything I said, you found fault with something you actually put in my mouth. By telling he's an adult, I meant that he is responsible for everything he does; if he makes someone suffer, it's his responsibility. God forbid an adult BL protagonist actually take responsibility for his actions

@Rex8786 So, to start my comparison was totally spot on. He did something messed up to someone, just like a serial killer or a psychopath would (What they did has a different weight; I’m not putting it on the same level as serial killers. It’s just about the way you have to judge the actions of someone who hurts another person). Let's be consistent here; I’m consistent with my takes. I get that you want to understand the character That’s fine—I also like analyzing characters in all their facets. But don't come telling me, 'Oh, we can't be mad at him because he had a rough life and hard experiences.' First of all, if you're hurting, you go to a therapist—especially if you're a grown, vaccinated adult. Second, if people leave you, you don't have to force yourself on someone. You take care of yourself and come back stronger and healthier. There are such double standards in the BL world, I'm sick of seeing protagonists do awful things while everyone rushes to defend them. It’s unbelievable. You’re trying to understand him, sure, but there’s a huge difference between understanding a character and defending them at all costs. I don’t care about his tragic past; if he hurts someone, he has to pay, just like everyone else otherwise,there is no justice. Honestly, many couples in these BLs just need to break up. There is zero self-respect for the seme—they just blindly chase these npc protagonists around without getting anything back (except for being a simp or for the saints "yearning". They get treated poorly, they're never justified( unless they are so incredibly good-looking that straight girls fall in love with these characters and then try to justify everthing they do). I don't care what happened to him as long as he doesn't hurt others. If he wants to destroy himself, fine, but don't drag other people down into his tragedy. If you're hurting, go to a psychologist; don't get into a relationship just to drag someone else into your personal h*l. That's exactly what he's doing. I did understand your perspective, and it makes sense, but it still doesn't justify him. At the end of the day, he is hurting someone. Hiding your traumas under the rug as if they don't exist won't make everything magically disappear. No, they'll stay there; in fact, they'll get bigger and bigger, always bigger, until boom, they explode (it's obvious that not everyone is aware of this; we are all different, we all experience different things—some people get it and some don't. Because of their own issues) have a good day 🤍

@Rex8786 hes an adult man, if it was the ml you would say the seme? you cannot defend the indefensible; now let's use the same logic to serial killers and psycopaths with a sad backstory , we understand them, but we do not justify them, if someone treated you that way, you'd be like "oh, poor thing, they didn't mean to betray me , they've just had a very sad life🥺"? if that's the case please, have a little self respect, have a good day

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