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Tamagowaiiyo
2 years ago
@Tamagowaiiyo  i wish for delete option in this we
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@Hesper444  ik ik i wrote too long. 😂😂 but ignore it. i obviously change my mind when the...
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Hesper444
2 years ago
@Hesper444  ik ik i wrote too long. 😂😂 but ignore it. i obviously change my mind when the story come out more it get clearer and clearer. I fix it under your comment and instead of typing "know" i typed "no" 😂
but i still haven't pick a team tho. I dont think i can anyway
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@A dumb reader bro/sis I didn't , the only place where I write long long useless passages,...
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Tamagowaiiyo
2 years ago
@Tamagowaiiyo  ignore this, Ian do still love Tj or at least who TJ used to be. It getting clearer and more when the story came ou
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Hi just wanted to share my opinion. @teddy i think what @Loratte try to say is that Ian di...

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Hesper444
3 years ago
Forget what 2 month ago me said, sheaint no nothing Ian do loves TJ or at least a persone Tj used to be
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It feels like the intense maddening love , trust and faith got wounded so bad at some point that ...

Okay i know we are stressed out right now so in order to light up some mood, who will aboard my TJ x Jo ship with me 😂😂😂
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Byeol
3 years ago
@Byeol

 im sorry i kinda confused on the first sentence( eng is not my first language) "that the least I would call it love personally." is it at least i would call it love even tho it mixed with other thing right? 😂sorry for studying english right now😂
i agree on the guilt as well but forgot to mention it earlier. Like i said i dont think it just pure love in their relationship, guilty codependency jealousy is definitely mixed in it 
what i tried to say and people got mad at me is that ian still love Tj because i think he still do but not because Ian love who he TJ now but more like because Ian still love Tj in the past and since at the end Tj in the past and TJ is the same person. It will be hard for Ian to stop loving him. I mean if they really reading the story they would know and i just state the obvious fact, tbh what im writhing right now, is not my thought alone(that would be impossible) 

i have to say that after reading your comment i immediately know that u really read it and put logic than emotion in your comment!  

btw i how would u rate pizza delivery man ? 

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@Tamagowaiiyo I love you view on this too for me Ian's love for tj got mixed with so many ...
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herehereagain
3 years ago
@herehereagain  since we see alot of TJ in ss1 
i bet ss2 will be mainly on Jo 
cant' wait!
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start getting to know each other slowly, we are waiting🥰...

I'm basically Ian's stand im fine with whom he chose to love and
i know that even now Ian still love TJ but i cant wait for Ian falling in love with Jo day to come. 

you can see the difference between Jo and Ian relationship and TJ x Ian relationship already 
while all emotions come up during s** between Tj and Ian there is no talking, only thoughts in their head. But with Jo and Ian u can see all the talking. All the wall slowly melt down. And that is healthy relationship right there. Doyak-nim is really clever tbh.

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Byeol
3 years ago
@Byeol
i think Doyak-nim actually show us all along that Ian still love Tj or at least The person Tj used to be. It not easy to just stop loving someone because they changed, and I believe it's the main reason why Ian still love him because he still love the past TJ. People actually mad at me for saying this even tho im Jo's team more but if they really put cheering their own son aside and really look into the story u will kinda see it. 

Howeven I wouldn't say Ian wouldn't change his feeling at all. Im actually waiting him to fall in love with Jo. Im sure that day will come
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Byeol
3 years ago
@Byeol

 
I think Ian still love TJ for now ofcoz but i wouldn't say there nothing else mixing in it. Such as co-dependency, anxiety etc And before anyone coming at me i just want to say I'm cheering on Jo side more than Tj simply coz he's a microwave boi.
at first ep 15, i also think that Ian "LOVED" tj as in past tense but the more i read the more i think that ain't right. His answer seems  insincere (i mean he's not telling the what he really felt) and the more i read i was like " yeah Ian bury his feeling for Tj." 
For me Ian doesn't seem to hold a grudge for what TJ has done to him at all (the leg)which is not healthy and these2 really need a healthy conversation. ian does love Tj no matter what (it actually show at the moment he shut Tj up with a kiss, which is not healthy these 2 really need healthy communication) but Ian is the type of person who feel guilty easily and when he talked to jason that where I connect the puzzel. Ian believes he will destroy Tj or at least what TJ has build (the gang things) due to his needed to have a normal life. And more importantly he did love Tj enough to put up with gang's life, he more like afraid of himself. Even tho Ian make up his mind to leave Tj. Sleep with someone else to satisfy his s** drive, prepare fake id card.  He doesn't want to completly cut Tj from his life but more like re-define their relationship. Ian even said that they need 3-4 year apart that would be enough for both of them. And for now he stills want to hold on to him, relieve that TJ didn't order anyone to hurt Jo(i think if he did, it would be the last straw for Ian to completly leave him, that why he felt relieved.)

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Tamagowaiiyo
3 years ago

 

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Hat off to Doyak-nim for her genius on creating such a complex story.  

first, she ...

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Hh
3 years ago

I hope to see Jo more in ss2, his character make my heart soft

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Jo hasn't really had the chance to show what their relationship would be like. We don't know a lo...

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Tamagowaiiyo
3 years ago

I dont get why you mad at me for saying this tho, i dont even pick a team, just state fact here. Jo has a chance to develop his feeling or change Ian mind as much as TJ ha

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Hat off to Doyak-nim for her genius on creating such a complex story.  

first, she ...

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mayhem
3 years ago

well written, it nice to see comments that really talking about story with logical base than emotional base

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I've always prefered the chemistry between Ian an TJ and it was clear that Jo always like Ian mor...

Hat off to Doyak-nim for her genius on creating such a complex story.  

first, she did make my believe that Ian felt nothing (doesn't love TJ) anymore. But the more i read, the more i change my mind. he wants to leave not because he doesn't love him, (obviously Ian is too kind to love TJ no matter what has done to him) but more like something underneath that make both of them have to buried their true feeling and lack of healthy communication . At least what I read in previous ep is Ian's guilt towards Tj (excited to see more on this part) Ian is the type of person who felt guilty easily even tho he's not at fault. I think he might afraid to ruined what TJ's life or what he has build up until now due to Ian wants a normal life. so he try to leave, ian want to disappear for 3-4 years but i didn't see forever written anywhere or come from his mouth. It more like Ian want to re-defined their relationship than don't want Tj in his life. After all they are family.  

I get it tho, it hard to stop loving someone because they change. Ian still love him because he still love TJ that he remembered. After all it's the same person. 

My prediction is ss1 will be mainly about TJ&Ian but ss2 tho Jo will get more screen time for sure and im looking forward to it. Maybe in ss2 we will see Ian living a normal life with Jo like he always wanted it. But ss3?  i have to give up here 😅. I dont care who Ian end up with but anyone who is Ian's stan like me. Only hope for at the end my boy will find happiness with the one he loves.

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Tamagowaiiyo
3 years ago

I heard this story will take about 3 years, you all can looking forward to Ian's character growing and development. I bet my hat that it Jo who will be the end game. Tho I didn't cheer on anyone but sometimes only love it's not enough to be together if there are too many differences.

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Tamagowaiiyo
3 years ago

I disagree with that, Define "real love" then

there is many kind of love... friend family that count as love too.  those two still love each other in that way they basically grew up together. But if you talk about romantic side, obviously they are attracted to each other, and at one point of their life they love each other purely and truely nothing involved, especially Ian. that how the bond come from, but it started to twisted to obssession (obviously at TJ side) but just because it twisted doesn't mean it's not one kind of love. On Ian side, if u said it truly pure lu** and attraction, I recommend u read the whole story again. Ian obviously buried his love underneath and try to leave because he afraid to ruined TJ life or at least what TJ has build. Ian is the type of person who feel guilty easily, and in his head he believes they shouldn't be together. there is many scenarios he try to buried his emotion and lie to just get away with it. He still want to hang on to TJ, if not because of love which created bond then what else?? If because he just still "care". What would u care about person u not love? 

i said it on my main comment and i will said it again 
What those 2 have is beyond just "is they love each other(romantically)?" Romantically definitely mixed in it but they other kind of love in there too that why it's hard for both of them to let go.

all i try to say is saying they don't love each other just because it didn't look like love? I did it before on this comment section(u will find it in another ep.) and find it too shallow for this story.  I didn't say there is pure love and nothing involved you clearly see that there is obsession, jealousy , toxicity and many variables showing there. 

i dont think they wouldn't go that far for each other because just lu** and attraction. 

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Tamagowaiiyo
3 years ago

ian feeling relieved in this ep. is kinda be evidence to me that Ian still not ready to actually let go and still want to hang on to TJ. However it raise some concern that if they are actually end up together, Will Ian feeling like this for the rest of his life.. 

ps. Both Jo and TJ team pls dont eat me im only Ian's mama , and literally chills with whoever Ian end up with

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I like to summarize story fromtime to time in comment so i could understand it better. it's a bit long but if you read until the end, im grateful 😇 

Well i know this would happened... anyway i didn't actually cheer for anyone tho. About ep.15 or smt people arguing alot about is "Ian still love TJ?"  (because there are scene said "just a friend now" which Ian was answering it to Jo) so most of people were jump to the conclusion that Ian not love TJ (as romantically) anymore including me. However, when more ep. come out i find it, that scene may not be Ian's sincere feeling due to originally it was just an answer he told someone (JO) but not actually on his thinking panel.

Back to now, i ask myself every episode is Ian still love TJ ? He act like he doesn't say like he doesn't. 

We all know TJ and Ian have a strong bond already but love? That another question right? But after episode come out more and more i felt like "is Ian love TJ?(romantically)" is become too easy and shallow question. What those 2 have is beyond that point already. It's a very deep bond with love buried in it. I believe deep down Ian still do love him in many way friend family and yes as a romantically, but it seems like he has to buried it due  Ian's guilt, he believes he will destroy anything he touched (as he thought when he was talking to Jason) and  their needed for different kind of life made a major effect on Ian's desicion. 

You can see Ian preparing to leave in every his action since ep.1 
sleeping with others guy , not go for only Tj
move out, don't accept phone call from TH
fake Id 
but u can also see that his brain (believing they shouldn't be together) is conflicting with his own feeling (heart) with all his action to prepare to leave, ian never refused TJ or chase him away. He can go aboard to be even far away  but nope...because even tho his brain know what to do his heart isn't ready to not seeing each other again. 

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