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Omniscient Reader
1 month ago

@Omniscient Reader
Yeah, I see your pov, but Emma just has a really distorted view of life since she had been hypervigilant and in a constant survival mode ever since she was a young girl due to her father's severe abuse.
I simply say that cuz I can relate to Emma since I experience her problems of dissociation -- not to her point, but it is true that social isolation f*s up problems even more up.
Even if it's difficult, abuse is always a choice so whatever excuse someone throws is always bullshit haha.
Emma is ill meanwhile example her father took advantage and was abusive due to his own insecurity of being left by her mother. Trust me, abusers always choose. Emma's stepfather chose to try and do incest sexual abuse. It's really not a matter of not knowing how to be.
That quote I guess is supposed to mirror something "lost" as a person transitions from "victim" to "abuser, but imo it isn't true at all. It's a simple choice not to do a power imbalance relationship. Unfortunately, too many do it!
It's true that it is a cycle, but it's always up to the person to choose if they will break it and respect the other person or choose to abuse. And when they do choose to abuse, it's a choice made. 

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@veronica  ah that she is. But I meant similarity not the exact thing. And yes there's ...

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Omniscient Reader
1 month ago

@Omniscient Reader

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Are you referring to Emma?
If so, she he isn't an abuser. Not at all. The girl is mentally ill & sick due to all the abuse and isolation she endured. This isn't about Emma being an abuser, she is a traumatized woman.
Also, abuse is always a choice.. an abused person who chooses to abuse makes a choice to do so. She is not an abuser, she is mentally ill and never had help.

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It's like the saying goes "the abused becomes the abuser"...
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My Deepest Secret - Ch. 81
1 month ago(edited)

Before judging, I hope you all realize that the mind can fragment after severe trauma or abuse & the brain naturally dissociates, becomes attached to certain things or makes up identities/voices in the head to cope with the pain of a chaotic life. It's an internal reaction towards trauma rather than an external reaction such as violence or agression.
Not only was she severely abused by her stepfather + abandoned by her mother, she was completely isolated and bullied at school. She is ill and needed help long ago and her extended family didn't help her, they just made her feel more like a burden which had her even more isolated . 
Isolation after abuse like this definitely CAN lead to mental health issues such as dissociation because the mind is not able to calm down and relax. 
Emma needed help, but she was abandoned.


I understand and empathize with Emma.
As someone who dissociated very young (and I still have two voices that are my guides), it's not fun at all.
You have to go really go through severe isolation to dissociate this much. If one wasn't completely isolated.. then it's too hard for you to understand why the mind fragments to protect itself. 

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blue
2 months ago

@blue
Woops
Trash belongs in the trash can is my top 1

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Is there similar manhwa like this other than guy upstairs like a completed one please any suggestion...
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oquax
4 months ago
@oquax I agree! :)

People root for abusive relationships that are always either borderline r*e or abuse in fiction -- but in real life, people are terrified of abuse/r*e. It seems to be cognitive dissonance as usual. That's why I see all the time, the excuse of "It's just fiction.". Unfortunately, even authors who actually make good cold characters have the fanbase glorify, romanticize and say "he/she wanted love". These two things have always been my big problem with fiction.

This story was good until they hit me with Inseop wanted love.
Both of them did not!
Inseop didn't love her; he wanted her as a possession. Gijeong did not ever love him. She was abused by him and abducted. 🤦‍♀️
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@veronica I agree I think that’s the thing nowadays good positive endings are the usual ro...
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oquax
4 months ago
@oquax Yes!! I really despise this cliché "just wanting love". I see it almost every manhwa.
It's also personal because I have absent affective empathy 😬. I literally do not find anyone important and truthfully, I only have utilitarian relationships all the time. So, to some extent, I could resonate with Inseop's inner-world. This.. was not a realistic portrayal of a man like this imo.
If it went another way (which is the realistic pathway, the one you mentioned too) I would have loved the path where he actually killed her. I find that people are obsessed with the good ending and cliché stereotypes where characters end up falling in love. I know these type are made for the majority of readers and all, so it is very predictable. It's supposed to sell as a good story for a fanbase that loves stories this genre. 
There's a minority in society who actually do not form attachment due to brain function/neurology and no one manages to make a good character like that.
Feeds into the cliché either evil/good. 🫩.
I want complex grey cases.. I get fed black and white all the time.
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@veronica I agree tbh I feel like the build up and depth his character had up until now fe...
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CALICO CAT
5 months ago
@CALICO CAT In his case, Inseop uses abuse in a different manner (he is a Primary Psychopath). So ya the way he is quite insistant is very different. Almost all abusers are impulsive, get angry, jealous, etc. Not Inseop though. 
Most use the same abuse cycle mantra thingy. (man i need to get used to this new UI)
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@veralol That's so scary and adds much more depth, holy f*k ballspepe sticker...
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Snek
5 months ago
@Snek  
Imo, it's very out of character because he gets fixated on things and people (Gijeong). He goes to lenghts to get what he wants -- as seen with his sister and all his victims. He wanted what they had.
So, him killing himself made no sense to me because I would have rather see him murder her than this. As morbid as I sound; it would have satisfied me more if he burned her and kept her as a "trophy" and possession along his other objects. It fits his character very much.
Also, his grandiosity is very high, so it doesn't make sense to me that he killed himself after not obtaining Gijeong.
Someone like him who fails to obtain something they want usually go further than giving up and letting go. If you are goal-driven, you wouldn't stop until you get there. (his case is an extreme one).
That's why it makes no sense to me. It made him look like he only went through all this isolation and abuse.. for love (as if he needed it) and then [since he couldn't get her to love him], he decided to die by suicide.
I find it to be the cliché trope of typical psychopathic characters who end up loving someone at the end.
For secondary type, I could maybe agree (even then, it is very unlikely).
Inseop is a case of primary which is why I was like wtf.
It just plays into the misconception that psychopaths are either crazy maniacs or people who actually want love deep down. I never agreed with these and hate em
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@veralol Girly it's prolly bcs he couldn't keep her in the end so like he was like "ya I ...
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F.B.I. Tokyo
6 months ago
@F.B.I. Tokyo

They aren't overthinking at all.
If you don't like a text that critics something in like almost every manhwa; then simply don't read it at all.
 ¯\(ツ)/¯
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@Venaldre bro chill up, u are overthinking, go touch grass...
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Venaldre
6 months ago
@Venaldre  

👍

I get it, I was looking at the mechanism I found from reading tons of manhwas. They always have same stereotypes ¯\(ツ)/¯

I also don't get why the other characters can't be as attractive as the main ones and are portrayed as "unattractive" or have a very different design from the main characters. 

And meh, yes, most people let slide a ton of things so it isn't new at all nor anything surprising.
I guess attraction is subjective? I have 0 attraction so I don't know personally.

:)
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@veralol I won't sit here and say I don't love my hot characters. I'm not against the lea...
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Venaldre
6 months ago
@Venaldre  

It's cuz not only beauty standards, but what most people (not everyone), but from all my experience I've come to conclude.. want main characters as "good looking, hot people". And then people begin excusing the behavior because he's hot.

So it attracts those with beauty standards and even the people who make it have beauty standards and what they consider "beauty".
It's a never ending dumb a cycle.

To attract people into reading stuff --> Make story less engaging; but the characters typical "tall, tiny waist etc" stuff --> People come to read for it more than the story itself. Half of manhwas have no plot and are stupid tbh
I hate those stupid unrealistic stories where the bully victim is [overweight, has pimples, etc] and says " no one wants me" and then randomly 45 chapters later changes complete physique, has no pimples nor chubby faces, is muscular or skinny and is then considered "hot" and is why that character SUDDENLY attracts people around them (the NPC characters always mention "omg you're so hot now!" (??)

It is same mentality as plot of manhwas/stories; Lots of people are driven to toxic/abusive ones where abuse is romanticized and glorified -- and they keep producing it because it gains attraction and attention. Meanwhile, good plots with actual amazing storylines are not famous nor known, and in the "forgotten pile".
It's supply and demand basically lol.
Supply (art, character illustrations and how they look), Demand ("hot" according to beauty standards characters)
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Ok heart... get ready for the drama.

total side rant: I really hate the "squid" thing in ...
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xoxo
6 months ago
@xoxo  

Ok here, next one is another universe idk why..

Gijeong is still a mechanic, but Inseop is not a serial killer nor a psychopath anymore. He's just a guy that is "falling in love with Gijeong".
And then some loan sharks come to threaten Gijeong about
something and Inseop begins falling for her (fast..). Yongjin is friends with both apparently and though Gijeong got threatened by loan sharks; she at the end is showed to have beaten up the loan shark and smokes ;-;.
I don't know what happened to get to this point, but yeah..
I never understood why she became a mechanic lol
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@veralol whats side stories about then its really weir...
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Patricia
6 months ago
@Patricia  
Thank you haha
It's a bunch of psychological/thriller/conplex type of stories.
I always favored these type lol
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@veralol u have some great taste...
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BeautyIsPain
6 months ago
@BeautyIsPain  

Yes
Indeed I do; here are some :)
And no problem about the analysis (•ω•)
-- Garden of the dead flowers (sero & corbenyx) it's a well-well-done story and is a secondary type of psychopath.
-- Trash belongs in the trash can (EDDIERING) also great.
-- Muse on fame (SOOJIN, is good, but some stuff were not in my taste lol.)
-- Beneath the trees where nobody sees (IDW publishing. Forgot author name lol) is meant to get a sequel on webtoon soonish (?)
-- Like mother like daughter (YIDAHM. pretty long; 199+ chapter so far)
-- Phantom whispers (moonkyoung kim, on hiatus)
-- School bus graveyard (RED)
-- Everything is fine (Mike Birchall)
-- My in-laws are obsessed with me by (Han Yoon Seol and seungu, if want a more aloof/relax type)
-- The interpretation of shadows (nyoomian, uploads every few weeks or monthly)
-- Footsteps in the snow (SAISA)
-- From a knight to a lady (hyerim sung + INK)
-- Emerald midnight's lover (Baeck Jack) was super good :).

Idk other ones sorry :(
If you want something closest to For your murder;
-- Garden of the dead flowers 
-- Trash belongs in the trash can 
-- Beneath the trees where nobody sees
-- Like mother like daughter
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@veralol do you have any other recommendations? I really appreciated your analyses btw!...
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For Your Murder - Ch. 66
6 months ago(edited)
Lol what in the da** cliché? 😭

He SUDDENLY turned into a suicidal maniac who wanted to die, ain't no way and so not real.. 
I was convinced  he was going to burn her and keep her as ashes (as morbid as it sounds, but realistically possible) and get caught chapters later sighs... 
Lord kill me, this ending was rushed and weird, but anyways.
I'll pretend this end didn't exist.

They presented him as a Primary Psychopath that was born the way he is, only for him to have "emotions" such as "feeling hurt". Not accurate at all; if he were a secondary type, yes, he would be like this, but Primary don't feel this type of stuff. As portrayed before, they portray boredom, irritation, understimulation (Inseop is an extreme case though since he is a serial killer). It was so accurate until the part where he "became human".,
Sorry, either way, Inseop WAS a human -- he wasn't a good person, but he is the same species. It always sucks when characters like these are badly portrayed at the end and end up having feelings. 
Not this continuous, never ending stereotype where they end up feeling at the end.

BTW, HEADS-UP

The side-story up next makes no sense and it's a different whole world so idk if you'd want to read. It randonly turned into an alternate universe type of thing lol.

I guess this means I'm done with my every chapter analysis! Thanks everyone who stayed and liked them! :D.
Hope it offered insight and a dive into different abuse/psychological patterns!!
My only wish is that Inseop and Gijeong stayed realistic, but whatever. You cannot get everything you want.. 
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Beckylolly
6 months ago
@Beckylolly  
It's the excuse of "fiction"/"He loves her in his own way" because lots of people are unable to accept that some people are unable to love in the typical, healthy way and that for some; relationships are utilitarian and for themselves! Some people genuinely lack affective empathy and are unable to "feel" love or affection.
I legit have low empathy and everyone avoids people like tgat because they "seem" dangerous. "Seem" is not the same as act, but see?

Yet in fiction/some IRL cases, a lot of people root/fantasize for the same person who actually is much worse ¯\(ツ)/¯ (?)
Inseop is a Primary Psychopath and he was born that way. But he also chose to commit crimes.
In fiction, you'll see it is romanticized/glorified by fanbases as it in IRL by some people who fan over serial killers.
In real life, those with CU traits and functioning psychopaths are avoided and complete rejects due to huge stigma of "they're a killer who will murder me!".. not true..
It's either fear or weird, non-sensical fascination. Fear imo is more understandable. 
Irl < stigma is high for functioning psychopaths and those with CU traits 
Fiction < romanticized, glorified, something wanted. 
But also, media/people romanticize it because of "hybristrophilia" and "I'm special, he/she won't kill me". 
Fiction is fantasy so a barrier where you can say "It's okay for me to like this because in real life, I deny it."

Is it easier to understand why?
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